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  Officer Wilson not indicted in killing of Michael Brown

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  after a thorough investigation and weighing of the evidence the grand jury has decided not to indict the officer.. the reaction so far seems as predicted - people refuse to accept that the result represents justice despite claims that is what they wanted.. there is now violence and vandalism, including gunshots.

  let's hope the police contain the troublemakers.. .

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  Marvin Shilmer

  Saying "slavery happened to everyone at one point in history" denies the demographic-social effect that having slavery and segregation affect a VISUALLY DISTINCT people, so close in history, has.

  Glad near-history didn't get in the way of Irish, Italian and Japanese Americans who were, in each case, treated like dirt outside their own communities.

  Here's another fact of American history that bears pointing out: Hundreds of thousands of Americans suffered and died in one of the world's bloodiest wars in order to end slavery as it existed at the time. And, I'm not talking about rebels who repudiated the US government and supported the mid-19th century rebellion. The patriots who suffered and died to end slavery were supported by untold millions of additional patriots whose tax dollars and real goods were fully put to the cause.

  And today what do we find being talked about as an excuse? Slavery. Guess what? Patriotic Americans died to give blacks a better opportunity in life. Make something of this gift that people of other nations did not for the most part bother to do for its populace. If the black community wants relief from crime and all it does to reduce its culture then start by DOING SOMETHING ABOUT IT inside your own community. Do not tolerate poor behavior. Report criminals. PUBLICALLY announce that is what is going to be done and then DO IT. If enough blacks do this then crime and all that comes with it will be significantly reduced within that community. Othewise little will change because non-black communities are working on their own problems and other communities' problems (including the black community) will be treated secondarily.
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  Officer Wilson not indicted in killing of Michael Brown

  by Simon in

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  after a thorough investigation and weighing of the evidence the grand jury has decided not to indict the officer.. the reaction so far seems as predicted - people refuse to accept that the result represents justice despite claims that is what they wanted.. there is now violence and vandalism, including gunshots.

  let's hope the police contain the troublemakers.. .

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  Marvin Shilmer

  Post 91 of 92 was in response to your post, which was partially quoted.

  Again, what does 'dressed like a gang member' mean? Your assertion of "drawn hoodie" describes half of the people walking around University of Michigan's campus in the fall, for instance. Is that the Wolverine gang?

  In other words, I'm using your own language to point out the inherent visual bias that exists. Yes, there are instances where a black person in a hood would be watched more closely than a white person in the same exact hood in the store, and that's because the viewer gets two distinct impressions from them; the black or latino person being viewed as a "gangster." What is even VIEWED as "gang" wear is colored by race and demographics in itself.

  No. You're not using my language when it comes to hoodies. You've introduced a strawman about hoodies. Look it up.

  On top of that, when I responded asking for the proof you claim in support of YOUR ASSERTION in post 91 of 92 what do I get? Proof? No. I get questions. Asking questions after making your assertion is just a tad bit backwards, don't you think? If you had questions of what I said the time to inquire was BEFORE making your assertion. Right?

  What you wrote is YOUR assertion. Not mine. Hence your burden of proof. Look it up.

  As for what I wrote in my posting 3293 of 3298, it's my opinion. Disgree with it if you want. Thats fine by me. But to assert as you do in your posting 91 of 92 draws legitimate request for the proof you claim in relation to my statement you quoted. Either you can offer proof or you can't. Which is it going to be?

  So other than your opinion, I ask again: If, and that's a BIG IF, you can provide evidence suggesting my premise is faulity then please provide it. I'd like to examine it for whatever it says.

  Can you? Will you?
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  Officer Wilson not indicted in killing of Michael Brown

  by Simon in

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  after a thorough investigation and weighing of the evidence the grand jury has decided not to indict the officer.. the reaction so far seems as predicted - people refuse to accept that the result represents justice despite claims that is what they wanted.. there is now violence and vandalism, including gunshots.

  let's hope the police contain the troublemakers.. .

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  Marvin Shilmer

  Brown's mother reportedly accuses officer Wilson of lying and then says:

  "I know my son far too well, he would never [attack a cop], he would never provoke anyone to do anything to him, and he would never do anything to anybody."--(http://www.aol.com/article/2014/11/26/he-wanted-to-kill-michael-browns-mother-insists-ferguson-cop-darren-wilson-lying/20999457/?ncid=webmail1

  "[H]e would never to anything to anybody."

  That is self-delusion if I've ever observed it. How can a parent say something like that knowing perfectly well her son HAD in fact robbed a retail store AND threated violence to the poor shopkeeper?

  Why does her supporters let her say things like that when it flies in the face of demonstrable FACT?

  For the life of me I can't understand people like that. Not for the life of me.

  Grieving is fine and understandable. Denying what is right in front of your face is delusional.
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  Officer Wilson not indicted in killing of Michael Brown

  by Simon in

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  after a thorough investigation and weighing of the evidence the grand jury has decided not to indict the officer.. the reaction so far seems as predicted - people refuse to accept that the result represents justice despite claims that is what they wanted.. there is now violence and vandalism, including gunshots.

  let's hope the police contain the troublemakers.. .

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  Marvin Shilmer

  What is gang dress? You said "a hoodie drawn over ones' face" (which I'm guessing is a loose hoodie worn inside?). That's not "gang dress." That's what people, in, say, Michigan, wear in the fall/spring. It's just that certain people are equated with "gangs" when they do it, and others are "casually going out."

  I responded to what you wrote.

  Take a closer look at your post 91 of 92 above.
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  Officer Wilson not indicted in killing of Michael Brown

  by Simon in

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  after a thorough investigation and weighing of the evidence the grand jury has decided not to indict the officer.. the reaction so far seems as predicted - people refuse to accept that the result represents justice despite claims that is what they wanted.. there is now violence and vandalism, including gunshots.

  let's hope the police contain the troublemakers.. .

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  Marvin Shilmer

  The problem with your premise is that it's been proven that black people and white people wearing the same clothes or doing the same actions are viewed and reacted to differently.

  I've seen no proof--and you've offered none--suggesting a person who walks around dressed like a gang member will not be watched as a potential gang member regardless of skin color.

  If, and that's a BIG IF, you can provide evidence suggesting my premise is faulity then please provide it. I'd like to examine it for whatever it says.

  Why do you think gangs WEAR DISTINCTIVE GANG DRESS if not to TELL everyone THIS is what I am?

  I think you're transposing a relevantly dissimilar set of observations atop a completely different premise.
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  Officer Wilson not indicted in killing of Michael Brown

  by Simon in

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  after a thorough investigation and weighing of the evidence the grand jury has decided not to indict the officer.. the reaction so far seems as predicted - people refuse to accept that the result represents justice despite claims that is what they wanted.. there is now violence and vandalism, including gunshots.

  let's hope the police contain the troublemakers.. .

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  Marvin Shilmer

  Dammit it's so hard to lve in a culture where young thugs have the power.

  A culture that allows that to happen is responsible for that outcome.

  I see parents bickering with one of their children and then complaining about how their child bickers all the time. I have to ask myself, "Who is the adult in the room?" Children tend to grow up and act as their parents allow them to act. If a child finds his or her parent engages in bickering then the child has just learned that bicking is allowed, and then it continues.

  I see cultures that allow for thugs*. We all do! Guess what? If you allow it you're going to have it and it will only get worse.

  What folks grow up to become starts with what happens within the family unit. After that comes the immediate community a person identifies with and is embrace by. After this comes the greater community. Problem is, the greater community can only rarely undo what a family has allowed the development of and its closer community has reinforced by tolerance.

  Today I see more demonstrations just like I've seen a hundred times before. The greater community has changed over the years. But what has not changed is what is going on inside family units and closer communities where thuggary is allowed. The greater community can only do so much. At some point families have to CHANGE what they allow and closer communities have to STOP allowing things like thuggary. Otherwise the greater community will continue to grow and improve whilst a closer community inside that greater community languishes in yesteryears ditch.

  *thug: a person engaged in criminal violence or threat of criminal violence
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  Officer Wilson not indicted in killing of Michael Brown

  by Simon in

  1. social
  2. current

  after a thorough investigation and weighing of the evidence the grand jury has decided not to indict the officer.. the reaction so far seems as predicted - people refuse to accept that the result represents justice despite claims that is what they wanted.. there is now violence and vandalism, including gunshots.

  let's hope the police contain the troublemakers.. .

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  Marvin Shilmer

  I undersatnd your personal bias. You are most likely, white and middle class. 'Nuff said!

  Now that statement represents a clear-cut piece of racial generalization. It helps nothing.

  "I understand your personal bias. You are most likely black because my bias tells me blacks hold the bias I attribute to you."

  How does that work for whoever authored the statement quoted above?
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  Officer Wilson not indicted in killing of Michael Brown

  by Simon in

  1. social
  2. current

  after a thorough investigation and weighing of the evidence the grand jury has decided not to indict the officer.. the reaction so far seems as predicted - people refuse to accept that the result represents justice despite claims that is what they wanted.. there is now violence and vandalism, including gunshots.

  let's hope the police contain the troublemakers.. .

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  Marvin Shilmer

  I get your reasoning, ADCMS. But you didn't grow up in the 'projects'. You aren't followed in the grocery store by security. You have no concept of growing up in a place where you CAN'T get educated, where people see you and are instantly 'afraid' because you are of a darker colour.

  Behavior trumps race when it comes to how a person is treated by others, and security personnel in particular.

  A person walking around at night in a grocery store with a hoodie drawn over his or her face is going to get followed by security regardless of race. It won't matter whether the person is black or white, or lives in the projects or Beverly Hills.

  A person who walks around dressed like a gang member is going to be watched as a potential gang member. It won't matter whether the person is black or white, or lives in the projects or Beverly Hills.
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  Officer Wilson not indicted in killing of Michael Brown

  by Simon in

  1. social
  2. current

  after a thorough investigation and weighing of the evidence the grand jury has decided not to indict the officer.. the reaction so far seems as predicted - people refuse to accept that the result represents justice despite claims that is what they wanted.. there is now violence and vandalism, including gunshots.

  let's hope the police contain the troublemakers.. .

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  Marvin Shilmer

  Here's a brief summation in case you missed it in Junior High.

  World History, Sara Watts http://users.wfu.edu/watts/w02_AfrAmer.html

  Designs,

  Okay. I read the short article you referenced. My questions to you remain:

  1. In historical terms, HOW was the manner in which European settlers expanded into territory new to them any different than HOW the then occupiers expanded into the same territory?

  2. In contemporary terms, WHO exactly are the “Masters” to which you refer? Elected officials? Someone else? WHO?

  Either you have responsible answers to those questions or you don't . Which is it?
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  Officer Wilson not indicted in killing of Michael Brown

  by Simon in

  1. social
  2. current

  after a thorough investigation and weighing of the evidence the grand jury has decided not to indict the officer.. the reaction so far seems as predicted - people refuse to accept that the result represents justice despite claims that is what they wanted.. there is now violence and vandalism, including gunshots.

  let's hope the police contain the troublemakers.. .

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  Marvin Shilmer

  Raphael Lemkin worked with the concept we call Cultural Genocide which the UN incorporated in its 1948 Declaration on the Human Rights of Indigenous Peoples. Cultural genicode can preceed physical genocide, it can also be concurrent with the physical demolition of a race or races.

  The Americas were built on Cultural Genocide and Physical Genocide. The Indigenous peoples were declared the 'Thugs' of their day which was turned into justification for forced explusion from their very homes and lands. When the 'Savages' pushed back more physical explusion, relocation, and confinement was the response. Any attempt at being free again or to reclaim their own homes and lands was met again and again by physical genocide.

  After all how dare the actual original land owners be so uppity and want Equal Rights from their new Masters.

  Designs,

  I fail to see whatever point it is you think you’re making. If you have some point please express it plainly so readers don’t have to interpret meaning.

  1. In historical terms, HOW was the manner in which European settlers expanded into territory new to them any different than HOW the then occupiers expanded into the same territory?

  2. In contemporary terms, WHO exactly are the “Masters” to which you refer? Elected officials? Someone else? WHO?